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Elena Brower Apologizes for Complicity, Forgives John Friend

by YD on February 20, 2012

in News

Once one of Anusara’s power teachers, Elena Brower, who resigned last November, has been noticeably quiet and tentative in her responses throughout Anusaragate. But she has finally released, via Huffington Post, a more personal response where she speaks of the two camps – the aware and the unaware – making up the Anusara community. Being part of the “aware” group she offers her experience with John’s “penchant for women” and being involved in covering up lies for him.

Even for us, the ones who knew some (but none of us really knew all of it), it felt terrible to see, from both sides: How could he? But then we realized, how could we? We were oftentimes complicit — some of us enabled the liar to lie by lying for him ourselves. There were these strangely uncomfortable, spooky moments in the past few years, to be sure; I was asked to help cover up one big personal lie for John, which ultimately needed to be cleaned up on my end. There was some fairly erratic teaching and seemingly incongruous commentaries as well. Shortly after the time that John unveiled his new philosophical model of “Shiva-Shakti Tantra,” there was also a shift in the business model, it seemed: We were notified that we’d all be obliged to give him first creative say in any products we made going forward and then 10 percent of any revenue we generate from said products. It felt strange; this wasn’t how it was when it began. It felt desperate and wrong.

When we explored the legality of it all, it was clearly flawed and didn’t stand up. And, with all due respect, I never felt connected to the Shiva-Shakti Tantra at all. It felt manufactured to me. I stayed because of the history, the quality of my education, and most of all, my fear about losing my standing in the yoga world. The night I called John to resign, back in October 2011, my first apology was for letting that fear rule my world, for staying for the wrong reasons, when true integrity would have had me leave long before.

She apologizes for complicity:

John seemed threatened, sad, unsure and at times, unsteady. Several of us tried to talk to him about it, only to be met with denial and even sometimes anger, which in many cases drove us, in our own personal ways, into old patterns of wanting to please our “parents”: backtracking, questioning ourselves, adding to the mounting pile of lies, assuaging him so we could stay in his good graces, feel safe, and keep our lives in order. That part might be the saddest part, and the part about which I’m personally most sorry, this repeating of family patterns in this professional context.

And extends forgiveness to John in the hopes “he can true up his past and truly heal” and become “an example of burgeoning integrity for all the world to see.”

As always, Elena tackles this with grace. She invites the community to unite in separating Anusara Yoga from the man and his wrongdoings (though she and many others have handed in their certificates).

She also tackles and trashes YD at the end of the piece for which we appreciate for its outspokenness, but with which we utterly disagree.

YogaDork, with all due respect: That salacious, desperately sensationalized voice with which you wrote the article “breaking” the story about John was not amongst your relevant contributions to the yoga world thus far. It was painful to watch you make light of a man’s life like that, in the name of “news.” I will not be contributing any more to your page until you release a true apology — both to John and to the teachers who’ve spent years learning from him. He is another human being, albeit with some highly questionable choices, but your heartless articulation did nothing but harm your own credibility.

We posted our reasons for publishing the initial piece earlier. With all due respect, any breaking news sounds like it wasn’t breaking at all since so many Anusara teachers and students (in the first “camp”) knew this was already going on and allowed it to continue, for any number of reasons. If you read the original post on accusations there was no desperation, but in fact a repeated concern for anyone taking this “lightly.”

Other highly powerful and once-respected human beings do bad things all the time like insider trading, sexual harassment, crime in the heat of the moment. Because John Friend is a yoga teacher does not excuse his misconduct. Unfortunately the suppression of what was happening behind closed doors at Anusara heated to a boiling point. Like a pressure cooker, with no one willing to blow the whistle, an anonymous person stepped forward to blast it out there.

We’re sorry this happened once again to the yoga community. We’re sorry this is still happening…anywhere. We’re sorry this was shocking to some and yet not surprising to others. We’re sorry no one felt they could step up and say something before the explosion of information was posted. Maybe it was a harsh and shocking method to us all at first. But, if YD has to be the bad guy to some people for getting this information out there, so be it. For that we are not sorry.

We’ll close by repeating what we said before:

While this information may be difficult for some to swallow, it’s not so outrageous in a time when power can so easily be misused, which we’ve seen time and again in the yoga world and beyond. Do we care what JF does in the bedroom with his Wiccan Coven? Not really. But we do expect taking responsibility for actions, and truthfulness and transparency when it comes to adhering to your own principles that thousands of people around the world believe in.

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simply yoga February 22, 2012 at 4:09 pm

I like the ones with the EJ “ethics in journalism” fellow. So cuddly!

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and in the end... February 22, 2012 at 5:31 pm

i’ve just spent some time reflecting on my own process since this news broke. it went something like this:

1. smug sense of superiority for having/following the intuition that JF was a fraud

2. self-righteous anger for the damage done to the yoga community by JF and the AY teachers that perpetrated the fraud

3. more self-righteous anger for the teachings of AY and the annoyances they have created for me over the years

4. sickening sense of not being able to tear myself away from the gawking process of watching the dishing out of online pain

5. body mind disturbances from all of the above

6. returning home to compassion for the suffering of all involved, whether it is self-created or not

7. a readiness/willingness to see the false reality that i created for myself in this forum

8. freedom & acceptance – recognizing the shadow and getting back to the basics…sitting, breathing, grounding, sending metta, waking up and continuing the journey of inward attention.

9. closure, through this strange little post. best of luck to all. thanks for the dialogues, and for the insights. you have all been my teachers these past 2 weeks. metta!

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novecho February 22, 2012 at 6:18 pm

Not familiar with Anasura, but when John Friend rode the wave of grace, was she single or married?

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Yoga woman February 22, 2012 at 6:23 pm

Thanks for the insight, in the end. I’m vacillating between 4-7. I’ve been alive long enough to profoundly honor process. It’s all yoga. Thanks to YD for providing a safe space for us to vent.

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eva February 22, 2012 at 7:11 pm

I am rightfully and righteously angry about this:
No one asked us poor suckers, the yoga students, if we wanted the yoga world to blow up into this corporate madness. No one asked the other poor suckers, the wanna-be teachers, either. All those poor fools who paid for these unbelievably expensive training, and certifcations, and whatever.
Certainly, when I plonked my money down, my hard-earned money, no one asked ME.
Did I want this system of corporatized yoga, these big-tent festivals of mutual mastrubation between business and “spirituality?” Did I want the big yoga rock-star” gurus” and their groupies, the materialism and vanity, the enormous surfeit of products, the clothes and bags and straps and food bars and smoothies and mats and headbands and smoothies?
No.
I have done and do happily without.
This bullshit is just as crass, foul, and repugnant as any of the Enron crisis, anything in the mortage loan crisis, the student loan crisis, the Abramovs, all of them.
This is all just one more expression of the fact that in America, the corporation is God.
Did I ask for all these prom-queen model-esque yoga queens? No. They bore me and exasperate me.
No one asked us students.
For the record — and yes I will say “we”
WE HATE IT.
I hope there is a huge, blistering groundswell of backlash against corporate yoga. I am not interested in working anything out. I want to bring the house down.
But wait! John Friend and his gaggle of groupies may have done it for me.
One can only live in hope….

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Pankaj Seth February 22, 2012 at 7:55 pm

*Applause*

This thing will eat itself.

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Vision_Quest2 February 23, 2012 at 12:19 am

Yup. We will be back to mild hatha classes … no reinforced dependency on the yoga class (at the cellular level), teachers who taught from the heart and not the pocketbook … all ages, shapes, sizes and abilities welcome in the one-room-schoolhouse model of yoga class …

The Lululemonheads and the Slim-Calm-Sexy-heads have started to call their classes “Mind-Body-Powercize”, and the sleepy-timers have started to call their classes “Relax and Recovery Stretch” or some such, instead of yoga …

In my dream, yoga is much less commercial, and safe for the actual yogis to dive in …

What year is this?

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another who knows February 23, 2012 at 3:44 pm

Yes, you have really nailed it. Why we are all reeling from this. Because we could all see it happening and wondered why people were buying it at all, let alone buying it ALL. Most of us knew it was all smoke and mirrors, a little guy behind a silk curtain projecting himself as a wizard, the emperor with no clothes on. But we watched, incredulously, as people bought the story, invested in the fallacy, saw the ornate robe where none existed. Very disheartening to see so many believe the lie and the image and the actor, when we would like to believe that the world is evolving; that consciousness is being raised. SO this uproar, this backlash against something so false and so vile, is REALLY exciting for me. It means people are starting to see through the charlatans of this world. People are starting to stand up for themselves and their own innate intelligence. This is such a good thing, not only for the yoga community but for the world at large. Kali is here and I, for one, am so excited to see the crumbling of the OLD ways of the world, which can bring about a new way of being and doing and experiencing. Not just in yoga but on this planet.

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eva February 22, 2012 at 7:14 pm

@ in the end…

clarity.
and disinterest in corporate yoga smoothies, which I just said twice, ha ha!
Dinner.

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Deborah February 22, 2012 at 7:24 pm

@ Eva.

Thumbs Up.

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Pankaj Seth February 22, 2012 at 7:52 pm

Agreed.

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Virginia February 22, 2012 at 9:18 pm

Agreed, too!

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Durga February 22, 2012 at 7:33 pm

KALI is coming
and SHE is PISSED!

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another who knows February 23, 2012 at 3:34 pm

It’s about time!

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Eva February 22, 2012 at 7:54 pm

@ Brooke –
Good luck to you then, my dear! (not sarcastic here.)
I’m not close to the situation, and not interested in restraint. I love laughter, and clarity, and a full spectrum of human emotionsm mind-states, experiences
I want the whole crazy mess. That’s what yoga is to me.
Not the “shoulds”
Oh give it time. Pull back and the maelstrom will subside. I just hope that students and teachers can speak honestly now to eachother about what WE want in OUR yoga communities. No more peddling. No more lies. No more censorship.
(Truly) Namaste!

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Brooke February 22, 2012 at 8:08 pm

:D

Thank you, Eva, truly. I appreciate that.

I love this, so much:

“I love laughter, and clarity, and a full spectrum of human emotionsm mind-states, experiences
I want the whole crazy mess. That’s what yoga is to me.”

Here f’in bloody here. Well said. And if that’s the answer to my question — it’s one I can get behind.

It reminds me of a Jed McKenna quote Deborah posted, on a different thread, which I also loved:

“It’s rabid, feverish, clawing madness to stop being a lie, regardless of price, come heaven or hell.”

And it also reminds me of my favorite (everyone’s favorite, let’s be honest) Jack Kerouac quote:

“The only ones for me are the mad ones — the ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow Roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars…”

As I’ve gotten a little older I’ve come to believe a bit more in yawning. And in the commonplace, I suppose. But still — the madness to live — that hot, charged, vital core of things — is where my heart is.

It’s a glorious life, really. Maelstroms and all.

Thanks again for the conversation!

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Pankaj Seth February 22, 2012 at 9:06 pm

Brooke, replying to your comment above…

You make a fair point. But also, JF has not really stepped down yet, its a leave of absence while he makes his plans… I don’t trust him, he hasn’t earned that. Things have not been exposed, its just a start by the look of things.

Personally, I am not happy at having the Dharma turned into a what is now mostly a tool for fitness in people’s eyes. It has been trivialized in many, many ways. 25 year olds are not yet Yoga teachers, so much has the word “Yoga” been cheapened. I am hoping for a sobering up throughout what is now called ‘the industry’.

Calling it as I see it, and I do many times in many places, is not always welcomed, is seen as not nice. Keeping the pressure up right now, is in my view a necessary thing. I am happy to hear voices like Eva’s and others here. “I am mad as hell, and I won’t take it anymore” is a fine sentiment and it fits.

My feeling is that if the temp is turned down too much right now, old patterns will reassert themselves. Its fine for certain people to be called out harshly, as they have shown that they are incapable of policing themselves.

Again, I do agree with your overall point, but also I think we should be prepared to yell it out if and when necessary.

Lastly, in case you havn’t come across the Panchatantra you might enjoy that too. Its a teaching of the Arthashastra, but in a beautiful story form. Personally, I learned a lot from it… specifically, how to build and maintain friendships and the need to not be naive when it concerns those who are not friendly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panchatantra
http://www.amazon.com/Pancatantra-Penguin-Classics-Visnu-Sarma/dp/0140455205

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Deborah February 22, 2012 at 10:54 pm

Like!

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arthashastra February 23, 2012 at 9:03 am

word.

The Rajashri
Arthashastra deals in detail with the qualities and disciplines required for a Rajarshi – a wise and virtuous king.
“In the happiness of his subjects lies the king’s happiness, in their welfare his welfare. He shall not consider as good only that which pleases him but treat as beneficial to him whatever pleases his subjects” – Kautilya.
According to Kautilya, a Rajarshi is one who:
Has self-control, having conquered the inimical temptations of the senses;
Cultivates the intellect by association with elders;
Keeps his eyes open through spies;
Is ever active in promoting the security and welfare of the people;
Ensures the observance (by the people) of their dharma by authority & example;
Improves his own discipline by (continuing his) learning in all branches of knowledge; and
Endears himself to his people by enriching them and doing good to them.
Such a disciplined king should: –
Keep away from another’s wife;
Not covet another’s property;
Practice ahinsa (non-violence towards all living things);
Avoid day dreaming, capriciousness, falsehood and extravagance; and
Avoid association with harmful persons and indulging in (harmful) activities.
Kautilya says that artha (Sound Economies) is the most important; dharma and kama are both dependent on it. A Rajarshi shall always respect those councillors and purohitas who warn him of the dangers of transgressing the limits of good conduct, reminding him sharply (as with a goad) of the times prescribed for various duties and caution him even when he errs in private.

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Guest February 23, 2012 at 11:16 am

The recent Anusara revelations recapitulate the old adage about Absolute Power and its corrupting influence.

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Jenny Aurthur February 23, 2012 at 11:58 am

I don’t know call me crazy but isn’t the job of an “aware” teacher to make those that are “unaware” aware?

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TigersEye February 23, 2012 at 10:07 pm

http://youtu.be/7KX2iHhlzpY

Elena at Wanderlust Speakeasy 2010.
At which time she knew what was going on behind the curtain in OZ.

She is either one phenomenal actress – or has been seriously mind fucked. Either way – has perfected her “craft” to a T and very convicing. Job waiting at Monsanto.

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Eva February 23, 2012 at 10:58 pm

This should be used in sociology classes as a example of groupie-ism and cult-like worship of self-styled gurus — or, no — “teachers:” — or, no — “teachings.” If JF and Brooks meant SO MUCH to her the emotional dependency and codependency is clear enough. No other teachers? Mentors? Parents? Elders? Bosses? Sad.
It’s incredible how some one could talk about growth and self-awareness as if 100 years of psychology and 150 years of feminism never occured.
She’s only a little younger than I. What planet was she on? At twenty I was at an alternative college, working, traveling, and already in counseling. I don’t begin to think I have it all worked out just b/c I knew early on that I had to work on my shit, or would have it all worked out now if I had found some magic system or teacher back then — or now. No one I grew up with or knew as a young person thought that any teacher or any magical system could hold us up.
Very interesting. Thanks for the post.

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Jane C. February 24, 2012 at 12:11 am

back in the day – say 2004 or so – I took a few classes with Elena at Virayoga. She seemed lively and bright. I recall her reading W.S.Merwin and her references, generally, were worldly.

My analysis is this is all about not wanting to lose stature – none of us do.

I don’t think JF started Anusara with the idea that he’d stock the lodge with nubile nymphs, primo weed and exotic junkets. But that’s what happened.

Now there both kind of insufferable.

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Eva February 24, 2012 at 12:18 am

‘nubile nymphs, primo weed and exotic junkets’
funny!

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Yoga's Answer to Scientology February 24, 2012 at 9:09 am

Unfortunately the video of this talk provides an easy primer for emotional manipulation tequniques.

First put names on all yoga mats. Then call out a new person’s name and say something encouraging/heartfelt/etc. (‘My God! He called my name! How did he know?!’)

Then write to her, asking why she’s not coming to more workshops and is showing up late when she does. Question her commitment.

Helps to have ‘life coaches’ around who will help her get over using her own critical faculties etc.

And so on. Manipulation, pure and simple. Always works if you can get them to cry, which was JF’s forte.

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AnuPsychoYoga February 24, 2012 at 9:36 am

http://youtu.be/JaAWdljhD5o

Awolnation sums it up nicely.

Interesting that Elena came out of the fashion industry; Anusara was a perfect fit for her. Fashionista Faux Yoga.

The above video reminds me of the really big show – for so many reasons.

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etc. February 24, 2012 at 10:49 am

haha…
a mans words coming out of her mouth
being “showered”
looking like one thing, being another
and when the devotee … that was “showering her” … got bored and started to pound her – the angelic persona turned into a murderous demon…. yet tried to keep the facade going.
um-hm.
haha.
art as a reflection of life.

a little basic psych February 24, 2012 at 10:53 am

The Cornell connection is really….well….surprising. Cornell is an elite school. She musta had some fabo family money and connections, and/or been one of those people who does really well on tests and papers but does not think for HERSELF. Then…that environment. Cornell is infamous for being such a competitive pressure cooker that it has one of the highest suicide rates for undergrads in the country. On her Huffpost stuff Brower writes about having developed an eating disorder in response to the environment.
It’s hard to resist playing armchair shrink here, because this girl is such a hodgepodge of neuroses dressed up as sensitivity and “compassion” and “softness.” A lot about fear, anxiety, desire for approval, but also a lot about sublimated ambition, vanity, and competitiveness. She she found AY, the AY boys groomed her as a show pony/mule and and “held” her, and she thought she would be saved.
Other vids indicate she’s drawn from CBT and and MCBT, without even realizing or acknowledging those sources and methodologies, or understanding that they only help with managing symptoms.
She needs really intensive, long-term psychotherapy. Seriously. I hope she grows and learns to stand on her own feet.

Huh? February 27, 2012 at 3:50 pm

at least you seemed to grasp what her point was Eva ….
I couldn’t for the life of me figure out what the F her point was?
I heard the questions and then I heard her reply with a bunch of babble that said nothing and didn’t really answer the questions, far as I could tell. Bullshit baffles brains right? Verbally pretentious “posteurizing”; and again, the Oscar goes to ……. EB! Meanwhile the sheeple sit hanging on her every word, with their heads mindless bobbing like those little dogs people put on their back windsheilds….

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Yoga woman February 24, 2012 at 2:03 am

Could someone please explain why one would go to a “talk” or whatever the heck that was in the first place? Please? She worships her shit. She gives people permission to worship their shit. What does any of that have to do with yoga? Please, someone explain. At some point you need to grow up, pull your head out of your navel and just go do something for someone else.

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simply yoga February 24, 2012 at 2:48 pm

Why would anyone attend such an “event?”
How about… There’s a sucker born every minute.

That’s all I can come up with.

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Alex February 24, 2012 at 10:29 am

The yoga community in NYC is full of young, impressionable woman who desperately want to be loved and deemed as “special”. Teachers like Elena only perpetuate the myth that Yoga is all about “life-coaching”, fashion and drinking green smoothies. She’s been a very good saleswoman from the start and she definitely has fooled more than a few people(including myself). I hope this will draw people to a less surface-oriented yoga.

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Virginia February 24, 2012 at 11:02 am

“I hope this will draw people to a less surface-oriented yoga.”
That is my hope as well. – Thanks, Alex.
i also hope that people start to consciously hone their skills of discrimination and discernment.

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The best commentary February 24, 2012 at 11:31 am

I just read this for the first time, emailed by a friend. It’s also posted on the timeline thread. It’s fantastic. The most intelligent take on all this mess. He’s an AY teacher and writer in Canada

http://matthewremski.com/wordpress/?p=1426

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Brooke February 24, 2012 at 2:32 pm

YES!

So fantastic.

Thanks for posting that.

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D February 24, 2012 at 4:59 pm

@Brooke/Eva:
if you feel so inclined – please find me on FB
would like to correspond
Deborah Whipple – picture with a hoop

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Brooke February 25, 2012 at 11:57 am

:D

Done!

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Elizabeth February 26, 2012 at 3:32 pm

My greatest disappointment in reading the Anusara-related stories here is not what YogaDork wrote, but in reading comments left by others. Specifically, it continues to disappoint me that yoga practitioners resort to childish name-calling and personal attacks on other commentators. It is a sad state of affairs when a groups of yoga practitioners cannot have a civil conversation on an emotionally charged topic without resorting to puerile tactics.

(It also bothers me when people make ignorant comments about yoga–like claiming that Iyengar yoga is derived from Ashtanga, or that Patanjali taught physical yoga postures beyond seated asana for meditation–but I’ve long given up on the idea that anyone else cares. Those writing the comments are generally not interested in educating themselves out of their ignorance, and you cannot force a bud to blossom.)

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eh? February 26, 2012 at 6:36 pm

that wasn’t very nice Elizabeth.

i haven’t heard anyone on here claim that Iyengar came out of Ashtanga. Most people know that both iyengar and patthabi were studens of Krishnamacharya. Both follow the 8 limbed path. Perhaps it is you who is confused?

I have also been observing the name calling and attacking and it seems to come from just a few people and in all likelihood they are part of the Anusara online “response team” who are intentionally trying to sabotage conversations, discredit individuals, and throw in red herrings. This has been their modus operandi for a very long time and was a common occurrance online long before the scandal broke and jfexposed.com went public with their material.
When they get called up on this conduct and it is named for what it is, they generally disappear. Don’t think for a second that JF and his yes/men are not monitoring all these websites and threads ….. There are enough light & truth warriors participating now that most of the brand managing trolls have disappeared …..

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The best commentary February 26, 2012 at 7:48 pm

I’ve seen disagreements here, and some well-deserved scathing criticism. The arguments ad feminam towards Brower are understandable given she’s tried to play spiritual leader while having demonstrated herself as some one with poor judgment. And no, no one said ashtnga was from iyengar. They said John Friend drew from Iyengar.
But. The AY branding will live on. Too many Americans want to cash in on the name. Everything in the US is about money money money.

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Amy Eyrie February 26, 2012 at 6:16 pm

You can practice yoga and teach yoga without possessing any wisdom at all. The sooner yogis grasp this concept, the better.

He gives masterly discourses on non-duality,
But has intense attachment for sense objects.
Nothing shall be accomplished from such Gurus.
- Shri Dasbodh

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it just gets better and better February 26, 2012 at 10:33 pm

so this vapid shallow twit just got herself anew sugar daddy. that’s why she left. that’s ALL IT WAS! and no wonder she hates YD!

http://www.yogadork.com/news/ny-post-yoga-studios-new-match-com-for-millionaires-and-trophy-yogis/

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yogalistic February 27, 2012 at 1:39 pm

I feel for all the sincere students and seekers who had their hearts broken by these events.

HOWEVER. I am glad there was finally a wakeup call. Anusara is an American “form” of Yoga that has simply taken certain aspects of yoga and packaged them in a “happy-go-lucky” package that has nothing what so ever to do with traditional genuine yoga.

Anusara in particular, and modern yoga in general, is simply a form of body worship / cultivation and it misleads honest seekers for truth. So much harm has been done in the name of Yoga that it is no longer considered a scientific spiritual path, but rather a form of exercise, by most people. Including its teachers and aspirants. Truth is that most teachers have never practised Yoga – just Indian gymnastics.

I feel it is sad that Yoga has been hijacked by rascals and worthless teacher trainings vomit out incompetent teachers daily. Personally I went through great hardships in my training in the himalayan caves, including years of celibacy. It can not be compared to Bikrams 9 week training in a luxury hotel In Vegas, or anusaras intensives with 200 people in a room doing gymnastics.

I pray for all the modern yogis – that you may now clearly see what is what and look at your own practice – and align it with the ancient and time tested teachings called of yoga.

I mean – how come there is no real focus on meditation in any yoga classes, retreats today? Why do Ashtangis go to buddist vipassana to meditate when meditation is the essence of Patanjalis ashtanga yoga system?

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Fa fa February 27, 2012 at 1:53 pm

Because the VP meditation scene is a different industry. There a tiny bit of cross-over, but not much. In general, in the America enlightenment industry, there is yoga on the one hand, for a particular niche, and meditation, esp. Vipassana, on the other hand. ENtirely different sets of teachers and venues. It’s a market. That’s what it is. It’s America: a market.

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Andy February 27, 2012 at 2:06 pm

Because the asana practice along with deep attention to the ujay pranayama, drishti and bandhas leads one to a meditative quieting of the mind while practicing the physical postures. After practicing the primary series, your mind is pretty frickin still’d. I think that peeps had it right when they decided to teach asana first to western students. I couldn’t fathom coming close to any sort of meditation without practicing hatha yoga first.

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fa fa February 27, 2012 at 2:36 pm

agree but the point is these are different marketing niches in the states….different teachers, books, centers, everything. Not that there is or should be no cross-over but that no one has yet exploited that potential….but hey! book proposal idea, right? and then the endless lecture/workshop circuit to market a hybrid 21st cent form…just like John Friend. And so the “spiritual” entrepeneur story coninues.

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jeremy February 27, 2012 at 3:41 pm

well really the yamas and niyamas should come first, sadly not particularly very widely taught in the west , if Mr Friend had followed these he wouldnt have caused the damage he has. But i must say that i know lots of people who meditate and have a serious practise over many years and have never done a yoga asana in their life. In the same manner there are many who practise asana and have no intention of ever taking up a sitting practise , its all about the bodybeautiful , not of course yoga !
I however feel we are getting away from the point of the thread
its all according to nature .

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yogalistic February 27, 2012 at 11:19 pm

Well, honestly, the effect of the primary series can not be compared with Meditation. Its like comparing a valium-buzz with a good nights sleep.

I know, I did Ashtagna for 3 years before my Guru showed me that I did not concentrate, expand or channel my Prana with it. I just depleted myself energy-wise.

The effect of proper Yoga practice is very very different.

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Brooke February 27, 2012 at 3:38 pm

The first meditation class I ever took was the regular, weekly sitting meditation offered by my yoga studio. The first serious daily study in sitting meditation I ever did was during a course my yoga teacher offered. That course was my introduction to Sally Kempton, whose “Meditation for the Love of It” (previously “The Heart of Meditation”) has become an integral part of my day. I had no developed meditation practice previous to my study of yoga, and I don’t think I’d have discovered a love of it without yoga.

My yoga teacher was, until very recently, an Anusara teacher.

Just sayin’.

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Matt Masterson March 20, 2012 at 11:42 pm

The idea of joining anything, only expresses lack of inherent self worth. Don’t ever doubt yourself.

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Sml March 21, 2012 at 1:39 pm

Anything and anyone not in ayni or sacred alignment will be sifted to the top and revealed. So far this prophecy has been revealing itself across the board. I was struck and inspired by a belief I read yesterday. We all wake up every morning and upload the reality we wish to live both individually and collectively. The way I see it, we are collectively saying we have had enough with the idea of a guru student relationship. There are no gurus. We are our own gurus, leaders, visionaries and everyone in our lives for good or for pain is a reflection of that relationship. In the words is Martha Stewart, ” it’s a good thing” all of it in perfect order.

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anonymous February 20, 2012 at 4:38 pm

I don’t find it funny that someone is posing as other teachers and writing such ignorant and ridiculous comments. I actually really think these comments should be removed as soon as they are posted. It I one thing to make light of a situation (when it is appropriate,) but another to make crude and dishonest statements while posing as someone else. Most of the people who are contributing to this dialogue are taking the time to actually think about their responses and make an intelligent contribution to this subject. This is an important discussion and light is being shed on an issue that has taken place in many different capacities for years. What JF has admitted to doing and what his followers may have turned the other cheek to has been hurtful to many people already. It doesn’t help for any of us to behave in a way that is hurtful as well. Let’s find a way to talk about that isn’t mean, false, or condescending. Peace.

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sarah February 20, 2012 at 6:11 pm

so true. thanks for speaking up.

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non-anon February 21, 2012 at 11:07 am

You realize, anon posted this reply to Elena *Browser*, as pun on her last name and an internet tool. If you or anyone else confused it with the real teacher, then shame on you. Anon could have posted it to any of the other names below (Yee and Bikram) and, perhaps, had a point. (I think everyone whining about the issue of fake posts is being a bit prudish and forgeting the context. It is the internet afterall. And this is yogadork.) But, instead, he gets on his sanctimonious high horse for the one post that has a clear fake handle. Take off the outrage glasses and look around. Things may not be how you see them.

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